Norm W. (guest)
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| 11/24/2007 6:18 AM |
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ISSFA's recent B2B company markets solid surface material to homeowner's or anyone else that cares to purchase their goods. I just thought that an organization that puts so much emphasis on training would of had second thoughts before considering this unlikely embrace. Please advise. |
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Jon Olson
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| 11/26/2007 9:09 AM |
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Hello Norm. have you considered bringing your concerns to the BOD? Would you like me to forward your comments?
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Norm W. (guest)
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| 11/26/2007 6:51 PM |
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Jon, if it doesn't concern you, I guess I am out of line. |
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Jon Olson
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| 11/27/2007 5:07 AM |
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I dont think your out of line . Just suggesting a way to help.
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Joe Corlett (guest)
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| 11/27/2007 8:32 PM |
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Norm:
Believe me, if anybody knows what's out of line, it's me. You, my friend, are not out of line.
Call me, I left a message on your voice mail.
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The Countertop Shop Mike Langenderfer
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| 11/29/2007 4:10 PM |
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| Norm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "solid surface material to homeowner's"? To mu knowledge ISSFA does not sell anything direct to the homeowner. Please explain. |
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Norm W. (guest)
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| 12/01/2007 11:00 AM |
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Mike, it's one of ISSFA's Business to Business partners, (basically advertisers) that does this |
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Norm W. (guest)
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| 12/01/2007 7:25 PM |
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Jon, in the not so distance past, ISSFA finally got recognition for their Total Fabrication Training program from all of the major manufacturer's of solid surface, including Dupont. By doing business with an advertiser that sells solid surface to the general public, in my opinion, is a giant step backwards, and not conducive to the mission I assumed ISSFA and the manufacturer's was trying to fulfill.
Even it the material is sold without a warranty, it is still bad for the industry. The fact is that their will be substandard tops out there. Sure you can say they will be in handymen's own homes, unfortunately folks stay in their homes an average of four years, so someone else will get what they think is a premium countertop, guess what???
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uci woods (guest)
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| 12/02/2007 5:24 PM |
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If you read the B2B it states that it is a "member only" service and companies listed on there suppose to be selling to current members only - I know I was not able to take advantage of an offer because I was not a current ISSFA member. I also don't see where anything says ISSFA is "selling". |
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Norm W. (guest)
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| 12/02/2007 5:45 PM |
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It's time for me to bow out from this thread. The information I gave was accurate. As a former member of ISSFA I was proud to be aligned with the organization, when I was a member. Hence the reason I still care about the integrity of the organization and mentioned this, unfortunately I really don't have, or should have, a voice in these matters.
Good luck all
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C. Mather Co., Inc. Tom Mather
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| 12/11/2007 5:53 PM |
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Norm,
I'd like to get a private opinion, if you wouldn't mind. A guy honest enough to know where his line is drawn is probably a good guy to hear from. Email me your email addy. info"at"mathertops"dot"com.
uci woods,
the concern isn't that they are b2b members selling to other members, the concern is: should an association that defines responsible education and fabrication in the countertop industry partner up with a company that philosophically has no problem selling unfabricated material to the public. |
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C. Mather Co., Inc. Tom Mather
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| 12/11/2007 5:59 PM |
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By the way, my personal feeling is that it's silly to not let the public fabricate their own tops. I also think it may be wrong for ISSFA to partner up with them. Not sure - have to think about that one some more.
It does place ISSFA in conflict with their purpose. I see that much. |
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David P. George
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| 12/23/2007 7:41 PM |
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| I've seen more than my share of "handymen" ventures in to Solid Surface tops. It aint pretty and does not to the industry good. |
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WWW.YOURFESTOOL.COM
WWW.TOOLS4GRANITE.COM
WWW.TOOLS4SOLIDSURFACE.COM |
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Jon Olson
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| 12/24/2007 6:50 AM |
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Wouldn't the main part of the problem for this fall into the hands of the manufactures who will sell anything to anybody?
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C. Mather Co., Inc. Tom Mather
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| 12/26/2007 11:07 AM |
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Dave,
You are correct, but I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. It is not a product easily fabricated by the homeowner, but so what? The problem will be when the guy blames the product instead of himself for the way it comes out, but that doesn't mean he should not be able to get it in the first place.
Jon, the ISSFA connection that concerns me is the tacit support of a product that can be sold to DIY'ers. |
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Treos LLC Charlie Fanning
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| 12/27/2007 6:23 AM |
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I have used solidsurface.com several times and it has saved me money. I understand your arguement Tom.
I had the idea several years ago to do almost the same thing with surplus material. I was going to call it FabSwap. I thought that it would be great for fabricators to move material around and no money ever changed hands. For every sq. ft. you shipped a credit was applied to your account, kind of like the barter system. |
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Jon Olson
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| 12/28/2007 6:55 AM |
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I don't have a problem with what we are talking about. When you boil it down how many weekend warriors are really going to make there own tops?
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C. Mather Co., Inc. Tom Mather
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| 12/28/2007 9:02 AM |
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| Again, my issue is not whether solid surface should be sold to the public. I don't have a problem with that at all. My issue is, should an association, whose main tenets are based around education for the fabricator, support a site that is anathema to the association's purpose. |
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Jon Olson
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| 12/31/2007 7:51 AM |
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Good question Tom Lets ask Todd at the town hall meeting.
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David P. George
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| 01/02/2008 6:26 PM |
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And the answer will be posted here ?? |
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