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C. Mather Co., Inc. Tom Mather
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01/21/2008 2:27 PM Quote Reply Alert 
Jon, Kurt,
If I may make a suggestion, you might want to consider reading the post I wrote making suggestions before you ask us to provide suggestions. That does nothing more than tell me you haven't really read the post. Please see my comment at 1/19 about 1:10, above.

I gave you three different headers and a suggestion for a tag line afterwards.

Pick one, pick none, ask for more suggestions if these aren't to your liking, but please don't ask me to make suggestions after I have already made suggestions. That's very frustrating.

Kurt, I think I understand your point, but I think it is wrong. Top Brands does mean something. What I see on the list appear to be "ISSFA member solid surface manufacturers". If that's the case, then that's what they should be called, unless being an ISSFA member is the through way towards being a Top Brand of solid surface. I don't believe it is, and I don't think many of the brands not listed would think so either. At least not the ones whose sales figures and distribution area are substantial.

The suggestions I made are truthful (I hope), and elevate the products without linking them to questionable declarations like "Top Brands".

I don't want to blow a small problem out of proportion, but with the resistance towards recognizing the obvious, it just gets deeper and deeper.

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01/21/2008 2:30 PM Quote Reply Alert 
Additional suggestions were made on 12/18 at 10:10, and 12/18 at 11:23.

Can you understand my frustration?

Navigator Construction,LLC Kurt Bonk
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01/21/2008 5:10 PM Quote Reply Alert 

Tom,
I did read your suggestions as noted in your earlier post. They were genuine thought out ideas. I applaud you for stepping forward and offering them. When Jon and I asked for suggestions maybe we should have asked if anyone else would like to submit an idea before the computer commiitte decides to change or not change the section being discussed. Other fabricators aside from You, Dave, Jon, and Myself have read this thread and have chosen not to contribute as yet! Since the section title may have seemed like a good idea at it's time of creation, now it maybe deemed to be renamed or not. I wouldn't like for the committee to go through the process all over again should someone not approve the new wording. If more people like yourself got involved, things would potentially become expedited. So, I hope you understand my frustration when more people choose not to contribute. If yourself or anyone else would like to submit any further recommendations please feel free.

Thank You,

Kurt Bonk
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FEDERAL SAW & TOOL DAVID P GEORGE
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01/21/2008 5:15 PM Quote Reply Alert 

"ISSFA is suppose to be the voice of the industry."

 

Kurt, after reading through this company line sludge, and a few other threads and responses I received today about false advertising as it relates to distributors ISSFA promotes...ISSFA, is not even close to being the voice of squat.

As a matter of fact, null & void comes to mind!


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Navigator Construction,LLC Kurt Bonk
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01/21/2008 5:36 PM Quote Reply Alert 
Dave,
Just trying to make differernce.

Thanks for the support,

Kurt Bonk

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01/21/2008 5:49 PM Quote Reply Alert 

We've talked, I respect your industry knowledge and what you attempt to do Kurt, it's the  hierarchy with agendas I have no time for ! And THEY know who they are.


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C. Mather Co., Inc. Tom Mather
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01/21/2008 6:07 PM Quote Reply Alert 

So, I hope you understand my frustration when more people choose not to contribute.

100%. That's kind of what I thought your point was. Your frustration was subtle, yet real, and justifiably so. Good on ya', mate. Your dedication to ISSFA - and much more importantly, the Principles upon which ISSFA was founded - has long since been proven to me.

Let me ask you this: Why don't they participate? Heck, I don't do half of what I used to at the start. I think there are at least three answers, each holding a different path.

The battle used to be us vs. them, the manufacturers. That fight was more or less a draw, but the free market won, and that's how it should be. The battle over (for now, but trouble is brewing), the passion drained out a bit. ISSFA lagged in deciding where the focus needed to be trained, and lost crucial time. When the smoke cleared we found the magazine that was such a voice of support for the Asssociation was sold*, the show that was the best hope for financial independence, as well as a vehicle that made ISSFA a force that must be reckoned with, was sold, and the money the Association received was not well spent. Not a good atmosphere for new recruiting. More of a hold what you got kind of strategy.

Two, most of the "product" that ISSFA sells is kind of in-house stuff. Seminars that are put together at Henderson, regionals that are so few and far between that a small cast could assemble the parties to contribute, and the participation by the membership can be had at a distance (which we all asked for, by the way). When fabricators started taking on estone, ISSFA felt it had to follow suit and watered down the strong solid surface focus. I'm not saying it was the wrong decision, but it had an obvious effect.

Third, but by no means the least important, the market commoditized at an amazing pace. The split between the custom houses and the production houses grew, and the margins were tightened to the point where the extra bit of spending we'd do to go to things like conferences were all of a sudden harder to justify. Reason #427 why this industry has turned to crap.

ISSFA needs to find a voice, and you and Todd and Jon are the leaders of that. While you're searching, consider looking inward at trying to maintain credibility and integrity in a world that tends to reward salesmanship and flexibilty.  I don't envy Todd in his new role, but he seems to have the integrity to ensure that the little things be as clean as the big things, and that "Top Brands" does not equal "ISSFA members".

Thanks for taking the time to read this, Kurt.

* I'm well aware that ISSFA didn't own Solid Surface mag. The point is no less valid.


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01/23/2008 6:43 AM Quote Reply Alert 
Here's your chance to talk to the BOD in person. To discuss all that needs to be worked on.
 
Town Hall Coffee with the Board of Directors. (At the Show in February)  Thursday AM
 

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Navigator Construction,LLC Kurt Bonk
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02/09/2008 4:01 PM Quote Reply Alert 
To All,
Top Brands section has been renamed to Popular Brands. I hope everyone will embrace the change. I just happened to be a national retail chain store today as they were annocing their Top Brands. The irony was just too much.

Kurt

C. Mather Co., Inc. Tom Mather
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02/10/2008 12:23 PM Quote Reply Alert 
It's a compromise, but it helps. Thanks Kurt.

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